Eighty years after the creation of the gods, the first large argument between them broke out when Torm demanded that Moradin seize control over the elemental plane of fire, as he wished to build an enormous arena to have his children do battle. Moradin wished to use the plane of fire to construct an incredibly large forge, and create brilliant artifacts for all of the gods. Torm scoffed at the idea of something so sentimental, and thought that Moradin's talent for creation should not be "Wasted on art, art for the sake of art is weak." Series of insults flew back and forth between them, until a physical fight broke out. Despite being less trained, moradin managed to overpower Torm, and exile him from the plane, temporarily.